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Jason · Only in cartoons

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DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

Assgrinch is a joker, Jason. DON'T BE SO SERIOUS.

AssGrinchReturns · Guru

I'm joking of course .... The idea of someone marrying a animal is insane.

SlashXLA · Senior Member

john31584 wrote:
For the same reasons, children and insane people can't form valid contracts.

Let's rob people of their rights because our culture deems their values to be too far outside the excepted social norms.

Jason · Only in cartoons

Umm... you haven't had much experience with children or the mentally ill, have you?

It isn't a matter of having different values. It's a matter of them being incapable of observing a coherent and consistent value system to the point where they cannot be held accountable for violation of a contract since they are fundamentally uncorrectable in this respect.

SlashXLA · Senior Member

Jason wrote:
Umm... you haven't had much experience with children or the mentally ill, have you?

It isn't a matter of having different values. It's a matter of them being incapable of observing a coherent and consistent value system to the point where they cannot be held accountable for violation of a contract since they are fundamentally uncorrectable in this respect.

Actually, I have had a great deal of experience with people who are deemed to be mentally ill. Calling someone insane is generally a way of belittling something. Far too often, a judge or jury find someone to be insane because they have different values. There are very few circumstances where mental illness requires one to be defended from their own actions.

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

Faggots are insane, therefore they shouldn't be able to sign a contract

-assgrinch.

SlashXLA · Senior Member

DEATHPIGGIE wrote:
Faggots are insane, therefore they shouldn't be able to sign a contract

-assgrinch.

You are making a joke about it, but it happens. A family court judge will take away custody from a gay man because he arbitrarily deems that the gay man is insane/morally corrupt and therefore unsuitable to be a parent.

john31584 · Zinc Saucier

SlashXLA wrote:

john31584 wrote:
For the same reasons, children and insane people can't form valid contracts.

Let's rob people of their rights because our culture deems their values to be too far outside the excepted social norms.

That has nothing to do with it.

"Insane" has a very specific meaning in the context of contract law, and it has nothing to do with a person's values. A person lacks capacity to enter into a contract if they they lack either cognitive or volitional capacity.

Cognitive capacity is the ability to understand what's going on, and the consequences of entering a contract. Volitional capacity is the ability to control one's own actions.

Again, it has nothing to do with "social norms". It's a pretty objective test.

-- Edited by john31584 at 21:57, 2008-09-28

cheeselover · I NEED BABIES!!!

SlashXLA wrote:

john31584 wrote:
For the same reasons, children and insane people can't form valid contracts.

Let's rob people of their rights because our culture deems their values to be too far outside the excepted social norms.

That sentence doesn't say what you want it to say, Slash. "Excepted" is a much different word than "accepted."

cheeselover · I NEED BABIES!!!

Also, just because people are held to be insane who really aren't doesn't mean that actual insane people should be able to enter into contracts, it just means that those people who actually aren't insane shouldn't be discriminated against and should be able to enter into contracts.