Serious Debate

john31584 · Zinc Saucier

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Jason · Only in cartoons

Morgan Freeman can invade my privacy anyday.

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

Jason wrote:

He... tortured people? He invaded the property and privacy of just about every person in Gotham city?

1. He used it to pin-point the location of the Joker. He listened in on criminals conversations. Pin-pointed through some convoluted system how to attract calls only from the Joker or some bull****. That didn't make any sense to me.

Also, he tortured Joker to get information about where people were that were about to die. A nd for the record, that info did not help.

Jason · Only in cartoons

So torture is not unjust when the torturer thinks he'll get some useful information from it?

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

Didn't we discuss this? Yes, in an emergency situation you can torture a man who obviously has information on the whereabouts of a person. The Joker obviously orchestrated the kidnapping.

Jason · Only in cartoons

Why? Why is it acceptable under those conditions?

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

The man is guilty of multiple murders. He has openly admitted to horrendous violations of the law. If a guilty man has whereabouts your friends and family, would you not torture them? Would you spare him and sacrifice your friends for some stupid ****ing morality that has no connection to reality? Morality is not supposed to be a curse upon us.

Jason · Only in cartoons

What are the conditions that make torture wrong, and how do those conditions change when you think you can gain something through torture?

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

What is the root of morality? Why does morality exist and for what purpose? Does it exist so guilty men can carry out their plans to kill innocent people?

Morality exists so that rational individuals can sustain their lives, and enhance their lives. We have no obligation to murderers and rapists when they are in the act of committing a crime.

Jason · Only in cartoons

And what about the effect torture has on the torturer? Do you think cruelty is innocuous behavior when it's "justified"?

AssGrinchReturns · Guru

Morgan is a great man.

pumpkinpjs · Tits and Grits

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DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

Harmless to whom? To the person torturing? It is not my concern if he is getting some sick pleasure out of bashing the man's head into a table, thereby leading to psychological harm.
I don't know what you mean. Of course it inflicts harm on the tortured, that is the point.

Jason · Only in cartoons

DEATHPIGGIE wrote:

It is not my concern if he is getting some sick pleasure out of bashing the man's head into a table, thereby leading to psychological harm.

Why does this not concern you?

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

That is his personal problem. All I care about is him getting the information.

Jason · Only in cartoons

DEATHPIGGIE wrote:

That is his personal problem. All I care about is him getting the information.

You said yourself, "Morality exists so that rational individuals can sustain their lives, and enhance their lives."

So, why are you concerned if torture changes people into crueler, less happy people? Is that what you consider "enhancing" lives?

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

The same reason I don't care if someone smokes weed everyday ( Hey hey hey ). It's a personal choice.

Jason · Only in cartoons

Right.

pumpkinpjs · Tits and Grits

touche

DEATHPIGGIE · I'm fat and nobody likes me

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